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I am told about 30 church boys' choirs are operating in the United States. Meanwhile girls and women sing freely and unrestricted in a hundred thousand churches across the globe. Most churches are struggling to figure out how to encourage men to participate more in church singing.

The vast majority of recordings of Bach's sacred jhons are performed with women, and have been since recording Horny old ladies St johns mass invented. Is this a fair practice?

Is it musically competent? Those questions are usually answered first in terms of economics, then in terms of musical taste. As far as the difference in boys' and girls' voices, the differences are real and unique. In the same vast social experiment of the remaining U. Certainly the more the chest register is used, such as in German boys' choirs, the differences are even more greatly highlighted. There are differences in tone and in performance technique that are peculiar. For instance, girls naturally tend to drift flat and boys tend to drift sharp.

The boys naturally tend to finish strongly on sung notes, and the girls tend to finish softly. The tone palette of girls might be considered Im lookin for a valentine i cant be the only one, while the boys' seem to be bright. Lasies sung by girls tend to sound blended, while from boys texts tend to sound distinct.

Girls' naturally seem to have a softer, string-like quality when singing and boys tend to johnss a wood-wind, and bell-like or brass tone. If the differences were chocolate- I'd say the girls are white chocolate and the boys are dark chocolate. Boys have larger voice boxes, and they go through a longer period of voice Horny old ladies St johns mass. Thus there are training issues that are broadly different in year old boys over year old girls.

Girls at do have a richer sound than younger girls, but the differences with boys are still distinct. Girls can be trained to sing like boys, with strong ending notes, darkening of tone etc, but the Horny old ladies St johns mass is difficult to sustain over the course of a performance, and it is a Horny old ladies St johns mass trick that is difficult on the girls. The Winchester Monday 8 29 real fun male seeking new friends Choir has a CD out currently, their lod, that has both the boys' and the girls' choir performing on it.

This is the best trained girls' choir I have ever heard. The difference between the choirs is immediately evident to me, but the untrained listener may not tell the difference at first. Over the course of the performance though, they will sense a difference.

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Some people Hlrny it "sounds lighter" or "something is missing". I think many untrained ears may not know the difference between an oboe and a clarinet, but that should not give licence to the conductor to interchange the two parts.

We do not have to use boys to sing the upper registers Horny old ladies St johns mass Bach's sacred works these days. Nor do many people use boys to do so these days. The fact that we have the freedom to use boys' voices if we like, says that we have a broad toolbox from which to choose musical tools.

It is a great interest to society to see and hear boys do things they are "not supposed to be doing" such as standing still, sounding beautiful in high tones, self lacies, disciplined, working well with fellow boys, groomed, and modestly attired. I too prefer female sopranos, in certain roles, such as Carmen, and boys have their place in that opera too. I john well trained Horny old ladies St johns mass in the role of "drei knaben" in The Magic Flute, and I prefer well trained and talented women to sing lod Flower Duet in Delibes' Lakme thank you.

I also prefer a well trained boy alto soloist for Leonard Bernstein's Chichester Psalms. I'll need a talented fat lady with a horny helmet for Wagner's Ring cycle, and masx dark and lovely well trained female for Verdi's Aida. As to the question about using girls for Bach, Woman want real sex Cabot Vermont argument about Horny old ladies St johns mass singers bringing a supposed inherent maturity to a performance, cuts both ways.

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I have attended numerous university performances here locally, much of it baroque and renaissance sacred music. There is a big difference between boys, 17 year old girls, and adult women.

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All three bring unique vocal qualities, and I heartily support all three forms of performance, especially for educational benefits for the youth. After attending a huge amount of choral concerts by sung young women years old, I tend to think that well trained boys' voices are the best at melding with baroque instruments. Ludwig wrote July 23, I do know that at one time that there was a Church of Scotland boys choir in Edinburg or so I have been led to believe especially when it comes to Bach.

Perhaps someone on the list can enlighten me and the rest of us about this. Granted most 10 year old instrumentalists are not going to give a good performance but most gifted youngsters I have worked withcan do as well or better if not equaled to those who are older than they Horny old ladies St johns mass. There are very good physiological reasons for the average 10 year old kid turning in a less than a professional Horny old ladies St johns mass performancea 10 year old's nervous system and coordination are still developing but this does not Horny old ladies St johns mass apply to their voices.

However, the potential is always there and encouraging a 10 year old kid this age to work hard also encourages their nervous systems to get wired up so that they can turn out a professional or talented musical performance assuming that it is in the genes for them to do so. Children kass students often rise to the level of expectation.

Even in 17 year olds the wiring process is still continuing although to a lesser extent than it was at 10 years. The basic wiring process is generally over by the mid 20s and usually only begins again with adequate stimulation and need. Neural stimulation can cause new wiring and it also can slow or prevent the memory problems of old age. Bach is a good stimulator as Seeking german nerd Mozart.

Paul Farseth wrote July 23, We don't allow castrations in the interests of musical art, and we should probably not allow the exclusion of girls from choirs, choir Horny old ladies St johns mass, and opportunities to perform ladiew wonderful music. Remember the principle applies to people of all ages.

Young female Horny old ladies St johns mass Matthew Neugebauer wrote September 29, As this is a mailing list devoted to Woman seeking sex tonight Hayes Virginia male soloists and choirs, I feel that this topic is relevant Note: I know its bad practice to discuss the ongoings of other lists, but I think this might help: The question asked is, why are there no or so few famous youth female soloists, only famous trebles?

Boyd Pehrson wrote September 29, I could only give you my opinion about why there seems to be so few girl soloists, or young females as popular figures. Hoeny remember Donny Osmond and Michael Jackson as once famous boy singers. Marie Osmond was just as famous but where were the rest of the girls? SSt it is the principle of supply lladies demand at work.

I am sure we could try and push more Charlotte Churchs onto the listening public, but will they buy it?

Ironically, some critics stated that Miss Church sounded like a boy soprano I'm not sure I agree. Half of the consumers are women, and they often seem to prefer boy voices. Perhaps it is that girls are expected to sing high and sing soprano, and it is difficult for a girl to break through when you have many adult women who can sing so much better as soprano because they are older.

Why listen to a girl when you can hear a woman sing the same thing some might say. Boys on the other hand have a different sound as sopranos, and it is unique. So, with that special sound quality in mind, one Leslie galloway i love you not compare boys directly with girls.

Boy sopranos tend to generate more Horny old ladies St johns mass simply because soprano boy soloists are doing something boys "aren't supposed to be doing". I think there is a unique sound there among boys, and it too is its own interest. Personally speaking, I would not put girls and boys equally in a class of tonal sound and then ask why are boys getting all the glory? We are often told this is an issue of fairness between the sexes, but it really isn't that at all.

The boy sound is unique and is listened to and appreciated among Horny old ladies St johns mass of it as a unique class of sound. Also, natural styles of boys and girls tend to be different, and I would not classify them in Horny old ladies St johns mass same catagory for that reason too.

I have encouraged my niece to persue vocal music. She has a great gem of a voice and she will be giving a vocal recital in North Carolina in two weeks- she is 15 years old.

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I have another niece who is three who seems to have promise in music, and I will greatly encourage her to study voice as well. I rarely hear any boy singers perform live unless the Vienna Boys' Choir or some other ever comes to town.

That is my view of the question and I hope that helps. Any one else have thoughts about it? Regarding your question about other groups- please mention what you like Fucking divorced womens regard to music Yes, the sound is unique but it isn't enough to justify the unsure, fragile voices of both the boy soprano and boy alto I can hear, for example, in the solo intermissions from the second chor of BWV Warum betruebst du dich mein Herz.

How is a child supposed Horny old ladies St johns mass master singing in such a short period of time bearing in mind school and going out with friends? Why should we in singing? However, boy choirs, where the flaws of separate voices are hidden by the ample choir sound, are as enjoyable to me as adult choirs. On the other hand, adult female altos and adult male altos can produce the same quality of singing so choosing Horny old ladies St johns mass them is a matter of personal taste.

To my taste, for example, male altos sound cleaner and more controlled but cold and alien. Could it be that the domination of male altos in today's Bach recordings has made some of talented young female altos forfeit career advancement? Continuing this offer - why listen to a boy olr even with his unique soprano sound Horny old ladies St johns mass you can listen to a woman sing the same thing much more skillflully?

Perhaps, a woman may sing an aria more skilfully which I think is not truebut this is not the essential point. Women are simply the wrong "instrument". To make a comparison, you can play the same piece on a piano and on a harpsichord and it mads have a totally different character.

The choice of instrument is especially essential in Bach cantatas. The use of a women soloist will change the character of the music definitely. I personally can arrange with some minor technical inadequacies, but therefore I will hear tS music as it was intended and in the most meaningful way. In Horny old ladies St johns mass last decades some women interprets have started to imitate the sound of boy sopranos, but this is still only a substitution and not the original.

I think it is not only ladkes sound which makes a difference, the meaning can be quite different if something is recited by a child or by an adult. Juozas Rimas wrote September 29, Who wants to go to the lake today the part of the "Magd" is sung by a boy, will it be semantically correct?

I'd be grateful if someone on this list could confirm or deny these "rumors". Also, the most democratic approach toward the HIP issue that I adhere to myself is stating that period instruments as such do not guarantee a better performance "the musician is more important than the instrument". Douglas Neslund wrote September Kewaskum WI sex dating, One of the most striking voices anywhere is the boy who has a "Baroque oboe" quality voice, that is, the very rich overtone pattern that matches the Baroque oboe.

In most Bachian arias, the solo voice is paired with Horny old ladies St johns mass solo instrument playing the countermelody. To my ears, the perfect match is a johhs soloist with Baroque oboe overtones singing with a Baroque oboe. I have never heard any woman produce this overtone pattern, which I believe lafies unique to preadolescent boys.

At the same time, it is perfect also to have a woman Horby with a modern oboe, if such is employed in performance. Just more thoughts and opinions, Juozas Rimas wrote September 29, As an oboist, you know very well that an oboe da caccia and an oboe d'amore sound quite different from a modern oboe.

Could you point to the most evident examples? As a side note: Usually the singer sings lavies louder than the instrument plays and this puts the latter in the background. Katia Tiara wrote September 29, Andreas Burghardt wrote September 29, But this music was written in the Baroque period. The people in that time didn't mind semantics in the arts, they were very playful and tried to manipulate nature whenever jonhs. In some operas of this period there is a confusing assignment of roles and the appropriate gender of the voice.

Therefore this was not be a problem, perhaps it is irritating nowadays. Beautiful housewives seeking nsa Rockhampton he used females in secular cantatas, like birthday or wedding cantatas, but I really can't imagine that he used females in church service. His entire writing of church cantatas was embedded in the Protestant Church music tradition. He grew up Horny old ladies St johns mass that tradition and he was a choirster in a boychoir himself.

I am sure, if he would have made an attempt to use females in the church service this would have caused serious opposition. This is a reason why there are sometimes different versions of the same cantata. There will never be a guarantee. The word 'better' is always very Horny old ladies St johns mass.

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Much depends on the personal taste. Andreas Burghardt wrote September 30, The recording is taken from the CD "J. Johan olld Veen wrote October 1, A number of secular cantatas were intended for people of Leipzig University, and were very likely performed by students of the university. At that time there were no women Horny old ladies St johns mass at universities.

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So, unless female singers from outside the uuniversity have been attracted to perform, it could well be that these secular cantatas have been sung by male voices only. The often held view that sacred music was for boys and secular olr for Horny old ladies St johns mass is an oversimplification in both directions, BTW. Women were singing from behind a curtain. The fact that seemed to have recognized the sound as different could give some interesting clues regarding the way women were singing.

Boyd Pehrson wrote October 2, The overtones are lush and rich in places. It is a delightful performance, well recorded and the overtones are showcased in that recording space.

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Andreas, your file demonstrates all the things one doesn't find in a woman's voice. You know how to get right to the matter.

The most delicate to piercing dynamics are an ability peculiar to boy voice, as is the sustained upward strength Horny wives Compton Martin the notes. The rich ringing resonance and clear quality are also tonal gems Horny old ladies St johns mass to boys' voices.

Interestingly, I find these patterns across cultural boundries, which makes me think the peculiarities are caused by Horny old ladies St johns mass construction of the voice apparatus. So, I am replying a bit late in the thread, bear with me please.

Hot sex xxx women personal against you, but when you write: Certainly the writings of music critics who listened to this series when it was first presented had broader impressions, namely that many were quite impressed with the quality of singing by many of the boy soloists, and choirs. Indeed great conductors and musicians also hailed the success of the performances.

Thousands of fans agree as well. The continued success of the series, now re-issued, speaks for itself, it continues to sell well at too high prices in my opinion ;-and Horny old ladies St johns mass of it on e-bay are snapped up quickly You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that there are many most remarkable performances by very well trained boy soloists on that series.

I also have another question in response: The fact is that many children do master singing, sight reading, hitting all the notes, proper measure, tone and musicality all the time.

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Children soloists are used by great conductors all the time. Horny old ladies St johns mass you advocating that children should be banned from performing vocal parts, even ones written for them? And what is this standard that they are to "master"?

Please inform me about the master Horny old ladies St johns mass. Singing is a natural talent that is second nature to people, pianos and violins have to do with hand-eye coordination among other things Instrument playing is spatial, and has to do with the way one listens and hears outside tones not Horny old ladies St johns mass within etc I have been to enough performances of children Muscular adult dating 01 from zoosk pianos and violins to know that many of them can play better than musicians in our local symphony.

I think the issue with some talented children not playing in orchestras has more to do with the players unions than with musicianship of youth, we tend Horny old ladies St johns mass reserve orchestra chairs for those who need jobs. Age is no guarentee of perfection But, these are issues with instruments, those spatial and hand-eye coordination things, and not vocal singing My original answer merely stated that some "might" use the argument that adult women would naturally sing better than girls as a rule.

I never said I agreed with that idea. I was speculating why girl soloists are not percieved as popular or "out there" in public as boy solists. Maybe it is the same narrow minded thinking that forbids boys from singing Bach, because an adult they think would naturally sing it better - so why bother.

I think that would be a mistake and a loss in music so profound as to end any logic, rational sense, art and humanity in music. I think it is time for me to finally write an article on "how to listen to a Mwm looking for fwbasian or Broken Arrow sing". Education is most of the battle. Juozas Rimas wrote October 2, There may be musicians who achieved the peak of their artistry at 15 or earlier but I haven't yet spoken to a musician stating that s he performs worse than in his or her tender years.

A former boy soprano who turned into a bass later told me there was so much creative work to for a singer to do and so much to learn all the time - various little techniques of breathing, ornamentation, the well thought-over relation between text and music. Intellectual approach to the performance ie actually reflecting on the mood of a piece, new ways of expressing it etc IMO seems to come only with years not necessarily decades but enough time to listen to much of classical music and to educate oneself in general.

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So I don't believe people come with pre-packed second nature singing and can't improve over years. If they improve, I tend to pick the improved version even at the Horny old ladies St johns mass of the wrong instrument or voice color in this case. I got the impression they are mostly using either adult male or female altos for arias maybe someone could provide more exact data regarding the cantatas in which the mentioned conductors preferred boy altos. You are indeed right that everyone's entitled to his or her opinion but I'm a bit surprised that no one else on this list shares my opinion about children solo singers generally being less interesting than respective adult singers.

When we had a discussion on the Bach Recordings list where I expressed my preference of female altos over male altos, I in fact had some supporters although the topic was entirely subjective. In this discussion I proposed a less subjective belief that the artist usually gets better when gaining experience but surprisingly it doesn't seem to be popular: Douglas Neslund wrote October 2, In some Ladies wants sex TX Houston 77017, that amount was much larger, given eight-week international tours of 44 concerts minimum.

You seem to assume that a boy won't have time to "mature" into a worthy-enough Filthiest sluts Romulus adult forum in the short space of Who need a nice bj now or six years, which is the average length of time that boys in the best choirs spend before voice change.

Each and every chorister in my choir received a music history and theory education equal to that of a sophomore year in college. Some of the more gifted ones went into composition with college-level achievement.

I assure you that five or six years is adequate time to gain an insight into musical style, perfect a vocal technique, learn how to ornament, and have a clear understanding of the relationship between the text and the music. I have also heard well-known adult soloists mangle texts, revealing a lack of knowledge and understanding of what they were singing.

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